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Berkshire A Buy Post Buffet

Since “Woodstock For Capitalist’s” weekend in Omaha is now over, a bit about Berkshire and it’s leader. No one will will argue or dispute his past success and what he has done for shareholders. Nor will anyone attempt to belittle the atmosphere and honesty in which he runs the organization and the culture he created. That being said, being a former Berkshire (BRK) shareholder I would not consider purchasing shares until Buffet steps down. The reason? $40 billion in cash and no plans to spend it. Berkshire is, in essence an insurance company that pays no dividends. It’s results the past two years are due to one factor, no major catastrophes.

Buffet has the ability to “buffer” shareholders against the eventual catastrophe and it’s impact but refuses to part with his cash. Insurance industry profits have been at all time highs the past two years and even Buffet himself has acknowledged that this cannot continue. Berkshire earnings increases over that span have been due solely to insurance profits, not investing gains or increases in it’s other operating segments. Industry pricing has already come down and we are one active hurricane season away from watching those record profits evaporate. When they do, Berkshire shares will take a hit with them.

Here is my issue, Buffet has the power to insulate shareholders from this eventuality. His recent purchase of 10% of Burlington Northern and 15% stake in USG marked the first time this century he has taken a meaningful stake in any company. In the past 6 plus years he has dabbled in shares of Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Lowe’s and others without making any meaningful foray into them. When Berkshire was experiencing its meteoric rise, it was due to Buffet making huge investments in a handful of companies. Now, the definition of huge changes as your size does. $100 million to Berkshire in 1975 was significant, but today is 2% than of what Buffet has on hand to invest. That being said, Buffet still has the ability to make portfolio changing investments, he just chooses not to. Berkshire’s investment portfolio today resembles a mutual fund with small positions in over 30 companies that are bought and sold regularly. In the past Buffet has said “Wait for a fat pitch and then swing for the fences”. Why isn’t he doing that? Considering the investment possibilities Berkshire has, his recent investing record is one of bunts, not big swings. He has also said in the past “if you would not buy the whole company, why would you buy a single share”? Using his own logic, I have to ask “Warren, if you are going to invest $160 million in Home Depot, why not $1 billion” The theory still holds, if you would not buy 100 shares why buy one share and if you would buy one share, why not a hundred of them? An investment of 4% of his available cash is not “swinging for the fences”

25% of Berkshire’s current market cap is it’s cash. Shares trade at a PE of 15 times earnings and given it’s earnings ability and financial stability, that should be higher. The reason it isn’t? People recognize that the $40 billion will be sitting there next quarter and next year and in today’s low interest rate environment, money in the bank does not impress anyone. Put it to work and Berkshire’s multiple will expand.

Unfortunately, that will not happen until Buffet retires and someone else runs Berkshire’s investments.

12 replies on “Berkshire A Buy Post Buffet”

Todd, you just don’t get it … Buffet has been investing as entire companies become available at a good price … let’s see last year he bought 100% of Pacificorp, Business Wire and Applied Underwriters for about 6 billion, he also invested 4 billion in acquiring 80% of Iscar and thats just 2006 … Todd get your facts straight and then do a rewrite

yet he still sits on the same $40 billion he had then…

Berkshire is huge $8 billion is pennies…When he bought American Express shares, 40% of Berkshire funds were in that one stock. the “investment portfolio” results speak for themselves. it is a mutual fund. it bear no resemblance to the portfolio that built the company.

for Berkshire’s size and financial capabilites, anything less than $20 billion is dabbling

business wire and applied underwriters are insignificant to Berkshire’s results and were basically bought with interest from the cash he has.

buffet has said himself that anything less than a $20 billion move will not materially affect operating results.. he is right

Todd I don’t think you’re looking at this correctly. If you start with $40 billion in cash, make $20 billion of new investments, and still have $40 billion in cash, that means that you made $20 billion in profits somewhere.

If you add up the amount of money that has been invested in both purchasing entire companies and the stock market since 2000, you’ll find it is a lot more than you think, I would guess well more than $25 billion. It did not happen in a single deal, but a dozen or two deals.

It is true that Berkshire has too much cash, but this is partly because it produces a lot of cash from the business. It does not mean that the cash is sitting there idle.

thank you for the reply…

you are correct to a point. much of berkshire’s cash increase the last 2 years has been insurance premium’s that have not been paid out. in buffet’s words, this has been pure luck. the businesses and investments have not been impressive (also in buffett’s words).

In buffets has said, he needs a big fish. here is the problem. he will not pay a large premium for a big one so that effectively eliminates a publicly traded company in today environment and there are very few $20 billion plus private ones. he has almost eliminated the possibility of making a deal.

i just want the buffett of the 1970’s and 80’s. that guy made BIG splashes. i get the feeling that today buffett is more concerned about maintaining $$ than earning it..

remember scale also, $5 billion to a $168 billion company is chump change..

just my opinion though

Todd –

Berkshire has produced about $27 billion in cash from operations over the past 3 years, while about $5.4 billion of that came from insurance underwriting profit. The insurance operations contribute to the cash but aren’t the main source.

Berkshire today is not the same company as it was in the 1980’s. Then, it was basically an insurance company that invested heavily in equities. Today, less than 30% of the revenues come from insurance. You are trying to analyze the company today forgetting about its primary source of earnings and economic value, which is the wholly owned operating companies.

It is true that the company has too much cash, but it has managed to grow very well while carrying that cash. Buffett’s plans for that cash are very clear — to make more acquisitions. He closed two $5 billion deals recently, and it doesn’t take many of those to make a big difference.

it is the “increase” i am talking about…

“Profit from insurance underwriting rose 82% to $601 million. Investment income from insurance rose 6% to $748 million, while profit in non-insurance businesses rose 16% to $894 million.”

most of berkshire “cash” is insurance float.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18495105

Todd,

There are several aspects to this: 1)BRK is not going to get the same return as before. Law of diminishing return is taking it’s effect on the company, not because of Buffet’s skills, but from the sheer size. If you had done your homework, you would know this 2)Buffet has said this over and over and over and over and over and over again… the first rule of investing is not to lose your money. The second rule is to follow rule #1. This is pure Grahm. If you want him to buy out big companies at a high premium, there are plenty of ‘hedge funds’ out there that achieve exactly what you’re looking for. Please please do your homework and not spew junk.

Anon,

If you have read anything I have posted, I am well aware of the law of returns, everything I have posted on Google centers on it.

that being said, I do not want Buffett to pay huge premiums, never said that..

what i want, is when he pulls the trigger, to really do it like he did “in the old days”, not tippy toe like he is now..

please read closer…

Guys who love their jobs the way Buffett does don’t just leave. Also, guys who love what they do into older ages also don’t just die. I think that guy has a minimum of ten years left in the job maybe 20. You may have to wait a while.

i think buffet is 75? twenty years is a bit much but i think you are right, he has no plans of going anywhere soon..

but, who would have thought Gates would ever step aside at MSFT, micheal Dell at Dell? Of course they came back as their successors failed but they way Buffett is doing it is probably based on his friends (Gates) experience. Before hen leaves he know the guy behind him will do the job…

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