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Warren Buffett’s Tax Math Fuzzy at Best

Time to take “The Oracle” to task.

CNBC has an interview today in which Buffett describes the taxes on his office. He pays 17.5% tax “on average” on his income and that the rest of his office pays 32%. This is the “unfairness” in the tax system he alludes to.

Here is the flaw, the higher taxes those people pay? It is social security taxes, a “tax” for a program those people will need far more than Buffett ever will. After $85,000 in income you no longer need to pay the 7% tax on your income. Buffett takes a $100,000 income from Berkshire plus the thousands he makes from board seats and dividends in stocks he owns privately. It also does not take into account any tax free income Buffett may receive from Federal or Municipal bonds he owns which would dramatically lower his “percentage”.

Now, Buffett has said 90% of his net worth is in Berkshire stock which means he has some $5 billion in other investments which could generate $10 million in income taxable at 15% if invested in dividend paying stocks that have an average 2% yield.

I do not know what the secretary in the office makes but lets say she is paid a fortune in Omaha, $85,000. Her “average” tax will average the 32%. Now Warren, will pay the same percentage of his first $85,000 and then pay only 25% on the next $15,000 since no SS tax is paid. Now, if we add the dividend stocks scenario, we lower his “average” tax rate to 15.5%.

I have no idea what Warren has the $5 billion invested in but the exercise is meant to show not that the “income” tax rates are “unfair” or tilted to the rich (although they all should be lowered) but that Warren’s wealth allows him to invest vast sums in investments that lower his “average” rate easily. It is important to note that these investments are perfectly legal and available to all people and everyone can lower their average rate by using them.

The bottom line is that the only way for Warren’s argument to have any real legitimacy is for him to detail his income sources. Without the details, the whole argument has no merit.

Another note: The last time congress tried to “sock it to” the fat cats, we got the AMT which is systematically now killing the middle class.. be careful what you wish for…

Just lower all the rates and we all win…

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Berkshire Hathaway’s Warren Buffett Warns on China

“We never buy stocks when we see prices soaring,” Berkshire Hathaway’s (BRK.A) Warren Buffett told reporters while on a visit to northeastern China Wednesday. “We buy stocks because we’re confident of the company’s growth. People should be cautious when they see prices rising.”

He clarified the comments on CNBC saying “I, just said that we very seldom buy into a market that’s gone up a whole lot, and I don’t know anything real specific about the Chinese market or Chinese stocks. But I do know that when prices have gone up a whole lot then I’m more skeptical when they’ve gone down a whole lot. I really like the look of markets that have gone down rather than markets that have gone up. But I will say this, what I’ve seen in China just today, in terms of the industrial development in Dalian, is making a believer in me, certainly in the economy, but that doesn’t mean that I think the stocks are attractive.”

Buffett is always asked about his outlook for either a company, the US market, the dollar or just about anything else short of who will win the World Series (the Red Sox will). His almost pat answer is “I have no idea what will happen, I am smart enough to know what I do not know”.

Why does this matter? When Buffett actually comes out and says something, we would be well advised to listen because the outcome most likely very closely related to his thought process. China stock, not necessarily the economy are approaching or are already in a “frothy” phase and that poses dramatic risk to investors. When you add the difficulty actually valuing securities from China, you now have a significant risk to investors. There will be a bunch of implosions of securities being sold today, that is inevitable in this environment. Buffett’s warning is that the number may end up being much larger than people currently anticipate..

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Berkshire Hathaway vs Sears Holdings: The Early Years

The comparisons have been rampant about Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A) and Eddie Lampert’s Sears Holdings (SHLD). Let’s look and rather than comparing the 42 year old Berkshire with the 2 year old Sears in both their current states, let’s look at Berkshire’s beginnings and take an apples to apples approach when making the comparison.

First things first. This is not a “who is better” look between Buffett and Lampert but a look at the beginning of both businesses and the investment by both owners. Most people do not know about Berkshire’s beginnings and if we are going to make the comparison, we need to look back at Warren early experiences so that we can look at Lampert’s and draw honest conclusions. One cannot look at the finished product of Berkshire and then look at Sears Holdings, still in its infancy and draw any meaningful comparison. Doing that is a bit like one neighbor with a kid in kindergarten contrasting their child to the neighbors child, a 27 year old doctor and making an effort to discern their own child’s future from that. Can’t be done.

Given the recent stock slide of Sears Holdings from $190 to $130, many people have jumped ship on Lampert and given up on Sears and their Chairman. Gone now are the Buffett comparisons and the doubters have surfaced. However, if one looks at the history of Berkshire one also sees dramatic price drops. In 1973-74 the stock dropped from $90 to $40 a share. After the ’87 stock crash it fell from $4,000 to $3,000. In 1990-91 it fell from $8,900 to $5,500 and from mid-1998 to 2000 the stock slid from $80,000 to $40,800. A drop in the share price of the has very little to do with the ability of either Buffett or Lampert to do what they so best. As a matter of fact at the turn of the century, Buffett was deluged with doubters who said he was “out of touch” and did not understand the “new paradigm” of business. I think we all know how that turned out.

If we look closer at the beginnings, Berkshire was bought by Warren is 1965 for about $16 a share and, according to Buffett “had no net cash”. In fact, according to Buffett in the previous 10 years, the business had earned “less than nothing”. After two years of ownership (the same time period Lampert has owned Sears) shares fetched between $17 and $21 in 1967, virtually flat. Sears, shares conversely have gone from $50 when the deal was announced to the $130 they sit at today. At the end of the 4th year Buffett owned Berkshire it traded between $32 and $39 a share.

Earnings:
In 1965 and 1966 Berkshire was profitable but in 1967 saw a dramatic downturn in earnings and at that point Buffett used Berkshire cash and acquired National Indemnity Insurance in the spring of 1967. It was an attempt by him to level out the cyclical earnings of the textile industry and Buffett thought the insurance float would provide a buffer for the erratic textile operations. Soon after that was See’s Candy, Wesco, Illinois National Bank ans Sun Newspapers.

When Lampert acquired Sears it had lost almost $5 billion the previous 4 years and since he took over it has earned about $3.7 billion in just two and a half years and more importantly produces near $2 billion a year in cash for Lampert to invest in the business (that number will clearly be down this year due to the retail environment).

Lampert doubters will point to this years profit decline as their proof what he is doing at Sears is not working. However, if one looks at Berkshire in the last decade, one will see earnings large declines in 1999, 2001 and 2004 due to a challenging insurance environment. With retailers like Target (TGT), Home Depot (HD), Lowes (LOW), Macy’s (M) and JC Penney (JCP)all lowering expectations recently, 2007 has
shaped up to be a similar environment for retailers. An earnings decline is not proof what he is not doing is not working nor is the Berkshire declines in those years meant to absolve any issues at Sears but it is meant to illustrate that not all earning go up in perpetuity and a bad year does not mean disaster. What Berkshire fans always point to is the cash available for Buffett to use for investment in years that earnings suffer. Lampert devotees point to the same metric and how it is being used. Sears is so young compared to Berkshire that Lampert followers currently are focused on his use of that cash within Sears (repurchases, debt reduction, IT investment) and how those actions will maximize its production later on.

Shares:
Like Buffett in his early Berkshire years Lampert is using weakness to buy more shares. Buffett began buying Berkshire shares in 1962 and took control in 1965. He kept buying in 1965 until he had 70% of Berkshire shares and did not become chairman until 1970. Lampert first bough Sears in 2004 and 2005 and has kept buying and estimates are that he control almost 60% of Sears shares after the current buyback is done. Sound familiar?

The business:
Buffett was very judicious in his use of Berkshire’s cash in the early years just as Lampert has been with Sears. Unlike Berkshire, Sears is in a business that will continue to earn Lampert money and produce large amount of cash and will not eventually be forced to close like Berkshire was in 1985 (the textile mill). That being said Lampert, also unlike Buffett is sitting on a fortune in real estate in Sears Holdings and also billions of dollars in licensing fees from the valuable Craftsman and Kenmore should he opt to monetize them. Just because he has not, doesn’t mean he won’t, that is where the “value” lies.

Track Record:
Both Buffett and Lampert ran private investment operations before the big acquisition. Both had track records that trounced the markets as a whole and made themselves and investor very wealthy. Both were long term value investors who kept their thoughts close to the vest and invested with a time frame unlike their peers. Both experienced difficulties in the early years of their ownership of the business and used that difficulty to increase their ownership in that business.

In short, Sears is a better “business” than Berkshire was in 1965, what remains to be seen is what Lampert’s next move will be with that business. I do not think anyone has ever got very rich betting against either Buffett or Lampert.

Why start trying now?

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Monday’s Links

A Thank you, Rush, Torre, JD Drew, Defendants Internet Strategy

– I always like to thank those who link to me when I am aware of it. My video post on the Buffet interview was link to here.

– It must have killed Democrats to actually say something nice about Limbaugh.

– Cashman and Stienbrenner are just idiots…… Red Sox fans rejoice at Torre telling them where to go. He, unlike them is a class act.

– As soon as JD hit the grand slam for the Red Sox Saturday night, I had the same thought as to how it pertained to investing. Roger, however beat me to it with this nice post

– More and more corporate defendants want to know the answer to this from their law firms.

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The Viewing Day

So, here is how things are beginning to shape up between CNBC and FOX

It looks like the morning is pure CNBC. “Squawk” with Kernan and Co. decimates anything the newbie network has to offer (not that the FOX show is bad, it is getting better) and I am such a Mark Haines fan that FOX would have to come up with something awfully special to make me switch channels.

But, it is increasingly looking like the afternoon may belong to the folks at FOX. CNBC seems to have sensed this and the afternoon offerings and placement of people there have been jumping around the past few weeks. FOX has a solid crew in place (most of them are from the weekend shows that have been on for years) and the addition of Liz Claymen (and her Buffett connection) will only serve to strengthen the line up. The shows flow well and the personalities work well together either when they agree or disagree.

Also, they do spend more time on segments which means they do tend to get more in depth than CNBC does into the subject at hand. This is both good and bad, if you are into the conversation, it is a plus but if it is about a topic that bores you, you may be more likely to change the channel. Personally, I like it.

Week one is in the books for FOX and despite a real shaky Day 1, it appears as though they are finding their footing and at least in the afternoon, will provide CNBC some real competition.

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Berkshire’s Warren Buffett On Fox Business News

This was one of the best and most detailed interviews I have seen if Berkshire’s Chairman (BRK.A) in recent years. Liz Clayman landed on Fox Business News with a big splash yesterday. If anyone knows were the whole interview can be found, please let me know.

Buffett, in the live interview commented a quit a few thing. Watch videos:

On his best investment

On the economy.

On the HY Times “erroneous” Bears Sterns story.

On his Petro China sale.

Finally, on succession.

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The Weeks Top Stories at Value Investing News

I have said it before and will continue to. If you do not read this site daily, you are only cheating yourself.

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ValuePlays Top Stories for September

Here are the top 5 stories read last month

1- What is Verizon Up To?

2- Harley Davidson: “Below MSRP” Was a Bad Harbinger

3- Goldman Sachs Pragmatism

4- Altria After the Spin: What Investors Can Expect.

5- Buffett Buying Into Bear Sterns?

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The Week’s Top Stories at Value Investing News

Since it will be a long weekend, here are the top 10. Congrats to Frank Lara at the Stockmasters for hitting the Top Spot…

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The Week’s Top Stories at Value Investing News

Here are this weeks tops stories. If you are a value investor and do not read this site daily, you are cheating yourself…

5. Aventine Renewable Energy’s hope: The 2008 Presidential Election

(via thestockmasters.com)

Ethanol investors know the Aventine Renewable Energy Holdings, Inc. (Public, NYSE:AVR) sad story well. The IPO in 2006 showed amazing potential, but then shares of AVR fell to the $30’s, then $20’s, and today they barely register above $10. So is ethanol just a fad fuel, yesterday’s news, and a lost investing opportunity?

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Buffett Buying Into Bear Sterns?

Bear Sterns (BSC), is spiking 10% on news Berkshire Hathaway’s (BRK.A) Warren Buffett is considering a 20% stake in the broker. True or rumor?

Sounds to me like the Countrywide (CFC) rumors a month ago. IF Warren is buying into Bear, it will not be with a purchase of common stock. Now that the news is out he just cannot do it. A 10% jump already illustrates the impossibility he faces in doing anything in public. What he may do is what I postured would be (and eventually was)a potential for Countrywide, although not by Buffett. A private transaction in which he injected liquidity into the broker and in return receive a convertible security that pays a nice fat dividend, at this point probably around 7.5%.

Gone are the days we can follow Buffett before he makes his moves. If Buffett was going to buy common shares, it would have been done already and we would not know about it until the SEC filing much much later.

If I was going to bet, this is just more smoke…

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The Weeks Top Stories At Value Investing News

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Wednesday’s Links

Buffett, Lead and Mortgages

– I have made the same argument in regards to mortgages. You bought the house, you took out the mortgage, you deal with it.

– Now they find lead in cookware

– Buffett speaks of the insignificance of Fed decisions on investment choices

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FRIDAY’S LINKS TO VISIT

– This is great. Value Investing is so hard because is chiefly depends on doing, nothing, and that is against human nature

– It is unfortunate that such a brilliant mind has turned into such a partisan hack, it is what he will be remembered for.

– These folks should be embarrassed , telling us what we already know.

– Quite possibly the dumbest article ever written.

– Buybacks vs. dividends. This is a good article. It should also be noted Buffett has always favored buybacks